as our friends at the daily caller point out, under the the obama administration, one out of four are on food stamps. and joining us, good to see you both. >> happy new year, sean. >> sean: you know, male, we have as have-- michael, we have never made it so that kids are born with $100,000 in debt and then, that doesn't even include entitlements, unfunded liabilities. we've never done this to our kids where one in four are on food stamps. you know, i say to cut one penny out of every dollar in the budget and people say we can't do that. why can't we live within our means? why is there no moral imperative to do that? >> i think that most people would say that food stamps is a good program, it works, it helps people survive in tough economic times, but we also have to keep in mind this spike actually occurred in 2008 when president bush was in-- >> i know you don't like to hear, but that's what the statistics say. >> sean: and four years and-- >> obviously the recession he inherited is still causing a problem with job creation, causing folks to be on food stamps. >> i am banning blaming